Do you have Experience with Wes Penre, Greene,Stellberg – dont go into the Light

[Anonymous]

Do you have any OWN Experience with this Theme – Wes Penres Papers, Lucia Beatrix Stellberg – Dont go into the Light – maybe also the Isabelle Greene Thing – How to Exit the Incarnation Trap?
but this one from Isabelle Greene – is – on my perspective – more a very loose description – drawing of the Theme – but okay – any suggestion is a good one to think it over and over and over again 😉 Would like to discuss – the Escape of the Matrix – just tell me and the whole Ickonic Team. Stay polite – and I hope we all can get friends – friends in Crime – Crime of questioning the whole reality – Simulation – Simulacron etc – Matrix …. I would LOVE, when we could – and yes we can – get together – to break the Matrix – and can Escape this Room that keeps Divine Sparks in ingnorance of their true Being …. I 4 myself am only here in the hours of the night – maybe from 11 pm till the morning – maybe 7 or 8 – but thats the maximum – I maybe sometimes retire earlier – please do write your comments – and we all can get in touch – thank you – for interacting with me and Ickonic – I am from Austria – South Burgenland and my English is therefore not so a native one 😉 I appologize for this … Thank You

[Roy]

I don’t have any personal experience with this theme, but it is probably the most important question I like to know more about during my experience in this loosh farm. So hopefully this will be an active thread on the forum.

 

 

[Roy]

When it comes to escaping this matrix, this loosh farm; Howdie Mickoski talks about that nothing of this matrix can escape the matrix, because it’s all false. Only that which is from outside is true and can exit. That means as far as I can grasp, only the spirit (consciousness, awareness) can escape. Everything else must stay behind, because it’s created by the matrix.

So the body, the mind, ego and soul can never leave, because it’s not true, that is all created within the matrix, by the matrix. It’s a hard thing to grasp, but it’s starting to make some sense to me. My main goal is to prepare to exit the Incarnation Trap, because I can’t see that this world is worth saving and that it is even possible to save it. It’s created to be a loosh farm, and the fuel that keep this matrix running is low vibrations. 

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Roy – yes – I see it also this way – Body, AI Hive Mind (not Intuition from beyond), Feelings, Emotion, Soul – which is a vehicle to trap the Conciousness while having the Loop between 3D and 4D Astral AI via Reincarnation and MindWipe – so the only one that can leave is Conciousness – because everything else is Projection in a Simulacron – the question is how. Wes Penre and other stated how to do it best – and the question is – Whats best – maybe the only real alternative – NOT What can leave and what not – only HOW 😉 Thank You

[Roy]

Yeah Miss Saigon, How is what matter. I will dive a bit into the viewpoint of those you mentioned, Wes Penre and Lucia Beatrix Stellberg.

Not listen to presumed authorities either here or in astral and head for the darkness is what I think so far. Do the opposite of what the new age nonsense tells us to do. 

[Roy]

Oh Yeah, I definitely need to buy “Don’t go into the light” by Lucia Beatrix Stellberg. and Wes Penres “How to exit the matrix”. Looks like books I have been searching for, but didn’t know existed. Luckily I did find them available in english, because my german is rusty now.

Thanks Miss Saigon, for bringing my attention to those authors. 

[Anonymous]

okay sounds good – but – for Wes Penre – I would suggest – Battles between Shadow and Light – coming from a Sitchin Perspective and going further – unto Simulation – via several Stations as Sumer – Babylon – Israel – Jesus – Age of the Aquarius – and further – to the Connections of Simulation and at the End of the book to the – from his perspective told – Escape Process for Conciousness – leaving the whole different Realm of the Matrix beyond …. I think – then you might get the most – the from you mentioned is a shorter version – but maybe to understand the greater Process – the Matrix is in – and will be in – in this 4ever Loop – then you better could read Battles between Shadow and Light – bigger Sight possible – even told longer – but maybe you get more of the big picture – your decision anyway – I only wanted to state this – 
but Stellberg is also very good – read 3 books from her – in German – but English is no Problem 4 me also – so – language doesnt matter – only describes the narrative of the possible rollout – the Release of what can be perceived in the release of this matrix – words can only describe what you can perceive – not what you cant – but – for Astral AI Beings in 4D and other Matrix Dimensions – they know more – so they can explain more – not more of the truth – only more of the designed Matrix – they know – even via Teleskills – work like words ….

[Roy]

Thanks Miss Saigon. I had already ordered, but I have made a note of “Battles between Shadow and Light” the next time I order books. But I ordered those two books I mentioned and also The Wes Penre papers: The first level of learning part 1 and part 2. 

I have a lot of reading to do now, I have a number of books I have not had time to read yet. 😀 

[Anonymous]

also good – I am very interested in your thaughts – reading this – and how this all can lead – what to trust – and what maybe only another missleading illusion (HOPE principle) of the matrix – 
I would have liked also Christianne and David and others of Ickonic to state on this – we ll see – maybe at a later time – truely hope for – thank you and until then ….

[Roy]

@ Miss Saigon. 👍

I just got those books I ordered. Thank you for those recomendations. The book “how to exit the matrix” is what I have been searching for so long. It all suddenly clicked into place. Maybe it makes so much sense to me because I already have read other books on this subject, (David’s books, Howdie’s books and Isabella’s book) but now I feel I finaly know how to and how to prepare for my exit from this matrix. I will only trust myself of course, but now I probably have both the map and the compass on how to do that and know when It is essential for me to prepare. I will be ready, Pleroma here I come. 

[ingeheinrich3737]

Hi there,

I just now detected this forum. Just what I was looking for after listening to Davids books. My eyes are not good for reading. Are some of these two books mentioned here also as audibles? I don’t mind if German or English.

I could look some more on the net, but reading is difficult, so I would be thankful for a link.

I am also not quite clear about “going into the Dark”, I would more call it going into the greyish ocean of consciousness before creation. Don’t know if this is discussed in those two books. That is what I visualize before going to sleep.

[Roy]

@IngeHeinrich3737

Something mention in the books is that we are creators and can create in the astral. So to create a space for ourself there in forehand (before exiting the meat suit), is probably important. What I don’t want is to be confused when arriving in the astral, so a calm place to gain clarity is what I envision and then have a clear intent of what to do to exit. Also I posted a couple of interesting links in the thread “Exit the Matrix” here on the forum. 

[Anonymous]

@inge & Heinrich – for me its not clear, what 2 books you really talk about? dont be sure which ones you mean

so if you mean Davids Books – then yes – the Trap, the Dream, the Reveal are also at Amazon Audible – only this 3 ones – David speaks them by himself – 

if you mean books of Greene, Stellberg or Wes Penre – I do think, that the books of such authors are not in Amazon Audible

[ingeheinrich3737]

Thank you Sai Gone. I assumed all here read or listened to David’s books. I meant Greene, Stellberg or Wes Penre. Of course, I did not assume to find them on Amazon Audible, but I hoped that some more esoteric book sellers might have an audible version, perhaps in German.

[Anonymous]

sorry – cant tell you anything better … best practice for the Topic Simulation, Escaping the Matrix, Trapped Conciousness, Construction of the Matrix will be Alexander Laurent on youtube ….

this you can download also on MP3 Audio – I would say – this would be best practice for you – very good one …

also go to another forum page – I will link you there – where you can find other books – many of them are available in Audio – some also in German – Heiko Schöning with DVDs in his books – Heiko Schrang, Thorsten Schulte, Whitney Webb in English, David Rogers Webb also on youtube – die grosse Enteignung – the great Taking – Daniele Ganser Imperium USA etc and more in the link:

https://forum.ickonic.com/topic/interesing-books-to-read/

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